Dorje Shugden Divinations


The great protectoress, Palden Lhamo’s dice divination is quite well-known. I heard that there are also divination methods by Dorje Shugden, but I could find any documents relating to this. Does anyone have any information on this? I seems good to be able to have the means to seek Dorje Shugden’s advice, especially on difficult issues.


Dorje Shugden Divinations:

1.) There are two current text on divination in use and circulation. His Eminence Kyabje Dagom Dorje Chang composed one text and Dorje Shugden Himself took trance and composed the original one. They are both highly accurate on the hundreds of occasions divination was consulted to Dagom Rinpoche by my associates/friends/dharma students.

2.) When Dorje Shugden took trance of the previous Choyang Dulzin Kuten, he was in trance for over two hours. Dorje Shugden gave the direct lineage, oral transmission, and explanation of this text. In other words, he composed on the spot this sacred text. Amazing as Shugden gave transmission on his own text he composed on the spot. Start of a lineage. It was compiled by the then secretary in audience with Dorje Shugden in his peaceful form as Dulzin. If I am not mistaken, the secretary is the current abbot of Shar Gaden, the Most Venerable Geshe Lobsang Pende-lak. I am referring to the Dorje Shugden composed text below.

3.) It’s broken down into 6 basic sections with subsections and Intro’s advice:

A. Intro advice

B. The six basic sections are for the 6 faces of the dice. Depending which side the dice falls, each side is broken down into approximately 10 subsections. Each Subsection gives details of results, to engage in a certain action being asked or to avoid or otherwise, pujas, remedial solutions, etc.

10 subsections that the questions are divided into:

Dharma Activity
House & Place
Legal Actions
Life Span
Medical Treatments
Travelling Wealth & Resource

4.) In order to engage in this profound practice of Divination relying on the infallible Dorje Shugden, it is highly recommended:

a. Recieve the empowerment of Tsongkapa (Je Tse Zin Ma), engage in formal retreat with minimum of 100,000 migtseymas. No fire puja.

b. Recieve the initiation of Yamantaka, solitary or 13-Deity is fine, engage in the retreat. Minimum 400,000 main mantra, and 40,000 other three mantras each. Seal with a sacred Fire Puja.

c. Recieve Sogtae (life entrustment) of Dorje Shugden, engage in a extended retreat at least 1,000,000 (one million minimum) main mantra and secondary mantry 100,000 is ok. Seal with a sacred Dorje Shugden Fire puja.

5.) Then upon finishing retreat, request one’s lama permission to start the divinations and can get one’s divination dice consecrated by one’s lama.

Of course one’s does not engage in such sacred retreats with the motivation JUST TO DO DIVINATIONS. That would be a ‘waste’. One should do with the highest of motivations as in Lam Rim Prayers or King of Prayers. The side benefit would be the ability to divine the future for situations beyond logical thinking or a logical course of action.

6.) When one has finished the retreat, recieved the permission of one’s lama, then everyday prior to divination, one is to recite Hung Rang Nyi Yidam, etc. 3x, offer serkym and with a good motivation one may recieve questions and proceed to divine to help others.

This is a short run down of the details, requirements and procedures behind the highly accurate divination method of the Enlightened Dorje Shugden.

This practice is not for only high lamas. This is for anyone sincere and does the divinations free of the 8 worldly dharmas as best as you can. The accuracy will depend on your samaya, guru devotion, motivation and ‘upkeep’ of your Dorje Shugden commitments.

You can consult a qualified lama and recieve this practice if you wish to go all the way. You can recieve the lineage, do the retreats, and fire pujas in Shar Gaden. One retreat every six months?? The Abbot can confer on you the sacred initiations.

Let me please stress again, it is a side benefit of all the retreats. Tsongkapa, Yamantaka, Dorje Shugden retreats are to clear obstacles to realizing the real non-dualistic nature of the mind thereby propelling yourself to Liberation. Wisdom is so needed, what more better than Manjushri in Lama form-Tsongkapa, Manjushri in Yidam form-Yamantaka and Manjushri in Protector form-Dorje Shugden.

The Gelugs have a saying that we practice Lama Manjushri, Yidam Manjushri and Protector Manjushri. That is to all awaken the Manjushri within us lying dormant for aeons.

Good luck.



5 Responses to “Dorje Shugden Divinations”
  1. Dear, questioner
    I have reset and documented this mo text in English with some additional information as how to make the Mo dice. I am one of the fortunate ones to have recieved the transmission from Gyalchen himself through Choyang Dulzin Kuten. Send me a E-mail I will send you a copy. Please note that the devination is strictly for personal use only as was instructed during the trans mission, yours, Lama Thubten Wangmo

  2. paolorossi says:

    Dear Lama Thubten Wangmo
    can you please send me a copy of the mo text of Great Gyalchen i am very interested in this practise.

  3. blacksmith says:

    Dear T. Wangmo: I am interested in your divination through mo dice: also want to know who advised me to practice Dorje invoke Shudgen: only know their mantras, I want to know if there is a special mantra for material wealth: Thank you!

  4. Sarah says:

    Divinations through dice must be practised with altruistic intention and without the eight worldly concerns. Otherwise it will not be effective and might even backfire.

  5. Arisa says:

    Using the dice for Divinations is a practice of Dorje Shugden’s way of answering a question. As Dorje Shugden is an enlightened Being and also a Supramundane Dharma protector the Divinations will be accurate. There are also many requirements one has to qualify before you are trained into doing Divinations. In Tibetan it is called MO divinations with dice. For you to qualify to be able to do this you have to do a Retreat of 1 million Dorje Shugden mantras followed by Yamantaka mantras and a Fire puja has to be done. Another form of Dorje Shugden answering a question will be through an Oracle.

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